VDO VDA210

with the vda 320 failure if you're okay with that

uh yes and let's basically i'm after three

okay okay

it's coming up

i see only a grey screen jason okay wait a moment

we talked about the three topic and the first is the path yes yeah and

the second is 85 degree and degree and humidity issue

and sorry let's let's go let's go in this order no problem

yeah and the third is the video yeah yeah

this is the first topic and you can see and the type of vibration i have particular

arrow i know um

in the ebay that will take to the assembly heater and the possible heat we found the servo heater is

zero zero point one degree voltage and the part okay yeah

uh other than we were dismantling to the pms and we found

those up 48 side and 18 and the 48 to the

micro uh battle

[Music]

is short circuit uh wait a moment

and you can see and this point is it's a small solar ball

yeah um and so this is commendable and you have

seen maybe and start buying either the gnd is a short first circuit

yeah why it happened um because

maybe you'll know use the sigma example

you can sing and you know in the we change the

dial at the transistor at this point and all the yeah it also

has the problem because and after we change the dial maybe

the pcb don't have enough clean process

so maybe it has a small board so the ball

maybe are you saying that you used pre-worked bms sample for validation

um no because in the in the 3.1 all all the sample also has the

problem because

3.3 c 1.1 sample

we change the tvs [Music]

but my question is why are you using manually soldered samples for validation purposes

i think for that patch i would say one point one all the tvs mounted in the

round tab so we change the component there you know the d36 maybe you already

know the issue which have a case in genocide also so in this case next test we change it

to a red component to do the validation

i i got it there was an issue with c 1.1 pcbs

but then i'm i'm shocked to understand that you're using manually soldered

bms for validations that shouldn't be the case in

under any circumstances right because how do you know that if it is

manually soldered and how do you know the uh

the properties of the soldering in the in the in the manufacturing line

yeah jacob i agree with you yeah

right yeah korean what's up

so uh how many such bms's are in are under validation

um

you mean for the total test items yes okay let me check the

okay let me calculate you can proceed i'll tell you the result later

oh

so now this is the problem uh rig so how can be 100 sure that the solder balls

are from the manual soldering and not from the manufacturing process now how are we going to differentiate it

yeah actually i don't know let's see 1.1 has been used to do this kind of

validation yeah but then now

we have we have a problem now and you started your investigation and you found that

solder balls are causing the issue and now how can we certain that the solder bolts are not from

the manufacturing process but it is from the manual soldering process

and that's exactly why it is uh

the requirement is to use the the bms samples the pcbs from the manufacturing

line you understand my my point

yeah totally understood now in this case how are we going to

prove that the solder bolts are not from the manufacturing line

[Music]

i think we kind of got a conclusion here

okay jack i think we total for the tv test we used

98 samples 98

yes but i think for the c 1.1 and

maybe i remember we only used one two this for the backup

because in that time we lack of that pms so we

maybe we to

just for backup backup samples

i i don't know what you're saying by backup so presenter do me in the delay there

are only two sample that is c 1.1

i think for the pms there was more clear about that yes

so the c one point one simple actually is the backup simple but uh have been

used in the vibration test because for the vibration test we have to do

two tabs first time we have we have six samples anderson we do a lot of batch to six samples that

is why we have used the backup bms is not right uh no

not that case because the test facility had the limitation of the sample test so we

we separate the two all test samples to two patches

okay yes and out of this 12 how many are c 1.1

i mean the reworked c one c samples as i know only this this symbols

can you please confirm that in writing passing off i i really want to write a written confirmation from your side

um for your information persona i think you you know it better than me that nobody will use a a manually

soldered pcb in a in a validation like this

and it's totally out of standard

and now we have encountered this problem how are we going to prove that it is not from the manufacturing line and it is

from the manual soldering it is your assumption

so so the first action is president please confirm how many

manually soldered pcbs are in validation

okay the total i mean the total how many are there in the total db test

cases okay okay i'll check with steroids about that

if if we are using too many of them i mean we are under a huge risk because

many of our validations are not completed and if you have a problem in any of

those test cases dislikes how are we going to prove something

[Music] okay so that's action from from this uh

failure that we need to understand how many of the manually soldered pcbs are under

test and

please do further investigation on

on the solar boards from where exactly it came from

and how many um do

do you see any more shoulder balls on the pcb [Music]

rochester i think this question for you how many solder balls

occurred are found in the pcb

yes i will do a investigation

and during the start of the test you haven't had this problem right the the battery was working fine

[Music] before the test and during tests and

after test all the functions okay but the pack

is there for some times and then it and the voltage

[Music] so this this is this problem happened

after the the powered vibration test right

yes after yeah after test yeah during yeah sorry for the

during the vibration test there is no problem yes after the vibration test

we have reset the samples then then he started the inspection

yeah but but yeah but that is not making any difference because you know

if it fails during the test or after the test it's all the same it's not making any difference

but so my worry is that

if the solder balls is a result of your manufacturing process

then how are we going to fix that

i think for the other 11 birth is

if it's from a longer manufacturing process there is no such issues

so i need i need a detailed investigation report on this

so now we have discussed too many things like you this is the only

uh reworked sample out of 12 and

all other pcbs are from the manufacturing line and they are all working fine until now

uh and this is the one which is uh manually soldered

and under the assumption that the manually soldered during the manual

soldering process the pcb was not cleaned properly and that's why you have solder balls on the

pcb so i need a comprehensive detailed investigation report on this

please this is not enough

is that clear yes totally honest

yeah okay let's uh move to the next one okay

the next challenge is the 85 degrees and the 85 humidity issues

and you can see the ntc has arrow and there's a silver teacher

and what he just seven and the side has an age and has arrow

and this is the the test we we use it in the

this morning and we found the ifv site maybe has a problem

because uh in the today's test we found the insider

independent independence as a clear fluctuations in the test calls

you can see we connect the the

the ntc and the cell voltage from the champion to the outside and

that connects uh the

independence and then we can see the deep um

the different dependence and the fluctuation between the 85 kilos to the several

milli metro ohms so we think and the maybe the ivs inside

more behind the problem sorry come again

what do you think although i have the ife inside indeed

independence hands flat to action

in the test so so from where does that impedance

comes from is it is it from the sensor are you saying that the sensor impedance

is fluctuating

so afe connector is connected uh to which you connect the battery

right yeah the battery cells and

if you see uh impedance differences um

that means that your cell has got a problem what uh well no the cell is no problem

and there's uh and as a under the fee

and we use the fbe

maybe is a connect problem

and the cell is no problem so what kind of connector problem you are referring to is it a dry soldering

issue corrosion issue

what is it and the high voltage and the high immunity and the

um connector well yeah well well has changed

has changed the property of the soldering and that's where you're seeing a high

impedance is that what you're saying uh i think what jason said is not you know

the afe collector have both male and the female collector they should

compare to each other yeah but during the test i think maybe the collection

isn't not always very good in some cases um

the singular open load that will well yeah so so you mean to say you have

mating issues connector matrix yeah yeah making issues i think so

uh but this test has passed in your b2 sample right

uh i think in the b2 sample actually the collector is another one

you got a different connector yes yes if you can remember yeah there's the change

of the collector and have you done this test on c sample

sometime or is it is this the first time you're

doing this test on this connector uh external fork for component network

i'm not sure but for the bms network i think this should be the first time in

our bms but our manufacturer may have do more tests than we have done

yeah i was referring to bms level so this is the first time you're doing this test on a bms level with this

connector implemented

brook do you love this

yes this is the first time on the bmx network we use this collector to do the

test okay so i wanted to understand

so during the test you have got

signal errors and you you bought the bms out

and did you disconnect the

the connector the male and female connection

or did you do it do a test even before doing that

did you get my question

uh sorry could you repeat again yeah sorry so during the test you got

signal errors and you you take the bms out of the

chamber and then did you do a functional test

um even without uh disconnecting the male and

female connection here uh yes we have to check the function of the bms and all the function is good

so once it is out of the chamber everything is okay

yeah once out of the chamber all we make the temperature go down maybe to six or

17 degrees i'm not sure yeah it'll go into good

so this happens only during high temperature uh high temperature and also high

humidity

okay so

casino are we done with the high humidity and

high temperature test on the pack level

yes please remind me of yes we already finished the ht test

k24 okay for high temperature endurance already finished under down no problem

found so that is high temperature endurance right it's not high temperature high

humidity do we have a test case for the pack level high temperature high humidity

test let me check the list

temperature

we got temperature humidity cycle

but not the exact test yeah this case

we got high temperature operation high temperature explosion

okay yeah i did not form the high temperature high humidity

okay this time we did not form that test

and uh jason after how many hours did you

encounter this problem during the test i know it is a long test so how many uh

after how many days did you did you see this error it's very fast

because if we start under the tap the it will get the height of temperature

and the humidity maybe three or two hours three or two hours

into our east while it will appear the the idol

so uh after starting within two three hours you started getting the errors yeah

is it because the the connection was not proper

uh have you ever checked that point uh connected yeah

it is in our schedule we will repeat this kind of test and try to get a yeah failure conclusion

they're already in a plan but the most uh possibility is that yeah

collected so

uh are you not doubting the connector alone are you also doubting something else i see a list

in the site number five

yeah yeah this is this is called up edge [Music]

maybe

so can you when it when you say schedule can you also put your

put a date against each so that we know when are we going to do

what [Music] this is today's morning

and we'll take the test result at the afternoon so maybe update

and but we know and the afternoon we talked with uh connection play about this problem

maybe today tonight all the um also tonight or

the next month next tuesday we will give you send you a detailed schedule

and uh how to fix the clutter program

yeah um we have to be really fast in our investigation jason unfortunately we are

we are close to the end of the tv so uh we have to be very sure

in our investigation and we have to find out the root cause

as quickly as possible and yes so i want to see the the real uh

i don't want to really stick to only the connector i really wanted to understand what exactly is a problem so please go

on with your analysis and we'll discuss it again next week uh

yes maybe i need to end this uh analysis and does uh give you a more information

about how to analyze and about how to analyze the program in the night making

okay

this is a vta and maybe when the

this picture you have seen and this chrome as the replay from the glr

you can see is a 49 and 9 is a preferred interruptions yeah

and the gif told us and the function i but not but with cb open

do you know what's the meaning i'm not very clear

oh okay this is this is a feedback from jayla right yeah

okay uh

brief interruptions applicable for chinese but

with cb open uh because i

yeah god uh

because you know no problem is a cpa open but i don't know whether and the

glr can can admit the cv is open in the test course so i'm not sure

uh yeah i will check this point i know there was a discussion between

the powerpack team and richard and everyone um

oh this feedback was the outcome of that discussion so let me understand

going back to that email and so

yeah i will take it up i'll i will check this point from my side uh but can we explain what what was the

error you faced uh yes

you need to talk uh tokyo about how to fail and

yeah wait a moment and this is a set up

and you can see and the test in the test calls

and the s1 is open and the s1 is closed

and after anderson and you can sing

so so so how

what is the duration of the pulse

100 mini microsecond

yeah that's this one

and there's a kill and it's well no power

100 million microseconds

sorry come again jason sorry i couldn't pay attention

so

do you have a waveform to

and 100 microseconds

okay yeah 100 microseconds and then uh how long what is t2 how much

is t2 uh t2 is 10 seconds

so why did you choose a 100 microsecond you should have gone for one millisecond

okay 100 microseconds is the best case yeah

okay um so maybe uh about this

topic we need to allow them maybe we need another meeting

because you know and this point yeah i i i'll give that

clarification from my side but i wanted to understand what what is that error you got it

so during this pulse you got the circuit breaker opened is that what you're saying

yeah okay

uh okay and that's all

uh i will send an email to you and the last

um last email you told us will discuss the

this point and i'm [Music] maybe we can talk with you

the jr about this point maybe we need another meeting to talk about this point

and yeah but this we need to uh gi activate

to explain explain to us yeah yeah yeah i will i will do that

um yeah i will give my feedback latest on monday

uh if yeah yeah okay no problem i will send

you a mail after the meeting uh please share this slide also with me

after this meeting um so out of these three

failures i think the second one is the most worrying one

[Music] yes

so please spend more time on that to understand what is a failure and we will have to

discuss that on so as as i understand monday is a holiday for you right

yeah money is a holiday for us okay so probably we can discuss that on tuesday

or wednesday okay okay

thank you all right um

pasino yes uh so i got your email yesterday

regarding the pack level vda 320 testing and you're saying that the test will take

you can start your test only on october that's not right actually because you

can start the test as soon as possible because um the the the bms level vda 320 testing

you don't have to carry out that on six samples rather you can do it on a couple of

samples and if that's fine you can create yeah okay sorry for you interrupt so you mean

for the vta test pack level no need six

a samples level you need six sample but for the bms level you need only two samples so you don't have to wait until

the bms level vda 320 testing is finished right so it takes only a week as i understand

from jason

so my understanding is currently if we got enough samples then we can start now

right no need to wait the bms test result or some deviations aligned with

your site exactly yeah so so when are we expecting the six samples

the bms sorry the batteries yeah actual current is the major

shortage is uh pms so these days i also discussed with sparkle how we manage the

samples so uh uh paco so currently we are aligned uh

together to cut the the worst case we will got the samples

at the 25th right

what september yes 25th yeah worst case i think we can do that

but now we are taking with mia to see

how fast we can prepare the bmx for the assembly

okay and you say that it's a

one month test right

yeah actually for the pga test

[Music] it's uh less than one month

so if you can if you can start your test let's say the last week of september

can you finish it by the third third week of october

it's about 20 20 october right yeah i think it's

roughly that time we can finish the video test so

now you know when are you going to get your bms um

for the vda 320 test can you prepare a time plan for me please

because it needs to be shared with the program managers um i understand

understanding the fact that it is all that the the the tv test is taking more

than the expected time so so we need to inform the program

managers and they will definitely ask if it is a delay what is a delay and there is a time plan

so we have to be prepared with that so i need a time plan for vda 320

testing as well as for the emc testing please

yeah details

yeah i didn't get a chance to go through but uh i need a very detailed time plan on

each day what are you doing and when is the start date and and when is this uh

end date yeah okay

yeah so i i wait for the vdf 320 so that together i can send it to the to the

program managers okay another question is about the vta test

specification i think this specification already aligned with

you or do we resent the vta test specification

for your approval impact level

not really not really i haven't received it so you can send it across

okay you can send it across yeah okay i'm sent to you for your approval

but please before sending it across please check with jason because he has

received the latest information from jlr on

on each test case under vda 320 so yes check your specification

accordingly do the corrections wherever it is required

review it from your side and then send it across to me okay we were aligned internally first

with jason and sent it to you okay yeah

do the review along with jason or rick and then you can send it across to me and

yeah and thank you for your uh signature on the emcee test specification i will take

that forward to the emc engineer in jail okay

yeah so there were a few actions uh already mentioned

from you persona i need the time plans for both gda 320 and amc

and you can also send across the vda 320 to specification after review

and jason for the three failures

i think you are clear about the actions right yes

okay so that's it from my side any any topics

to discuss uh yes uh since amit is here i want to share some

information about the acq yeah actually i don't know whether

it's a it is a good news of bad news yeah we get some feedback from

you uh yeah from some manufacturer yeah

uh currently we have received for different manufactured

reply yeah all of them only have the aecq files

for the component of the sim series but not for the exact type that we need and

i asked them why yeah the replies it's an industrial standard for the tbs the

iecq only need to pick some type of sales not need to do

all of them in the same series yeah

yeah it's learning new launching to me yeah yeah please so you think that they are following the

industry standard where if there is a particular series of the components only one of the type of each series has to be

validated to ac yes yes are required yeah you are right

what is our understanding jacob on that

if that's the standard we have to accept it but then uh then if that's the case why are they doing uh

the testing on that particular one what we are using now yeah because uh jello asks us

zla has this kind of our requirement so we push our supplier to do this kind of

test and they already begin the test actually i get some feedback from vincent

but many of them ask their ongoing yeah which which test is it that they are

doing which which test are they doing uh here's all the items yeah

they have pre conditions and also the high temperatures i think what we

care most is the highly accelerated temperature and the humidity stress test

and this is the one that is very important [Music] yeah but uh if if you ask me

it makes sense to to to wait until they finish it because

anyway we are not going to validate it in our bms right

so actually actually for the bms network we also

have the high temperature and the community stress test actually i think uh

but we skipped right we we are implementing it in the in the

design without validating it right we are going further on a trade even before validated in bms level yes so if you ask

me if you ask me it makes sense to um to get a report actual test report from

the from from the supply because we are anywhere not going to do it in the bms level at least a component level uh

test is required before we implement it but

if we are running late if we are running short of time then it makes sense to ask

your supplier that if if we are allowed to use this component

in our application and if they give their consent in the form of writing

we are okay i i i even said that before also we don't really require

a kind of test report rather we need a consent from the supplier saying that you you you you have the country

know they allow us to use that in our application that's fine yeah i think the pencils already send us

the email you you may already uh have next information that's uh they

recommended the component that can meet the automotive application

okay what might what my question is

[Applause]

so if if the supplier is saying that we can use it with their consent

then we can from the process point of view we can go with that uh

but to have minimum risk let's let's wait until they finish it but if you are

running out of time you can always go with a minimum risk

what is the uh so the the test list that you showed me can you

go back to that place so

where is the start date and the finish date for each of these tests

casino uh sorry sorry sorry i'm mute sorry

sorry uh yeah this doesn't have the uh in the beginning of august yeah

but i think maybe please the following test it says ongoing

we need to see what is the start and finish state against t this is again incomplete information

casino isn't it if you have the test ongoing why there is no start and finish state this is the same question i'm

repeating again more than 10 times what is the start and the finish state

for the test it's good that someone has started the test now my next question is the test

which you're doing this test list that you had is this the final aecq test or is it just

some another test you are trying to do just to give some confidence is this all these tests that you have

listed here is this as per the aecq standard yeah yeah they they see that yes this is

for the ecq standard yeah okay so what when can you provide me with the start and the end date against

each of these lan items the one which are done which is fine but it would be good to know when they were

done

okay [Music]

when can you provide me with this information please uh uh within next week is that okay for you

no it is not okay i need to see the test date today because this question has been around for more than three weeks

now why do you need another week just to ask simple question about what is a start and end date about the dates or that

they should already have this information right it is not that they need to invent something if there is a test plan they

would have dates against them right

um i think paco and rick uh what amit is saying is also right uh

yeah i think from the pro program point of view we need to understand when are they going to finish that

uh the testing so that we can take that date uh as our you know

accordingly we can plan or run a trade so if you don't have the dates available

how can we manage our runner rate

so so i'm asking you uh rick since you you are from the hardware

um engineering site from ebe so what what is your recommendation

uh can are you okay to go ahead with the same

diode from benson without completing the acq

um testing yes yes or you will he said i think it's

okay because all the others manufacture don't have the easy

and they follow the industrial standard

okay uh sorry for that noise yeah that's fine abs

so if you ask me if you have a consent from the supplier for the usage of this diode

in our application i am fully okay with that

right

so we we look forward for a aqc certificate every

certification for all components we make sure that all the components are aqc certified

that's our standard but

we never take a the certificate for all the components we never store the certificates for all

the components we believe the data sheet for all the components

but in this case when we started yeah when in this case in this particular case when we started the

alternate component investigation we asked for the qc confirmation from the supplier because

we are not going to validate this particular component in the bms level so we asked to confirm whether we have a

certificate available then they said they haven't validated it specifically on that part number but the

series has already been validated somewhere so that's why we asked for a

certificate for this particular uh part number

but at the same time i also said okay if they have if they have got

enough confidence on their component and if they give their consent

uh to us for the usage of this particular component in our application that is also fine because that data

sheet already said that it is already qualified he acquired qualified

so we have to believe that well then well the data sheet what they say i

think that is interpretation issue that isn't it because when they say the chip

is aecp qualified it is not really they are trying what they are

trying to say is the series one of the component within that series is qualified but that particular chip or

that particular diode is not qualified if i'm looking at it in a black and white way right yeah yeah that's the

question but but the other question is yeah but the question is do they really need to

qualify each part number under the series or not

uh that is up to them i think so that's why i said if you have saying that

that is the industry standard some of these suppliers are following some industry standard okay they are using

some practice best practice but that industry standard is that applicable for automotive usage

uh so we need we need some internal discussion about it um we cannot with with all the information last

minute and surprising information that we receive on this project we don't want to just

rely on some uh hearsay that yeah i believe it is okay because when we will

get sued the authorities will not take our judge because that our supplier said they believed it is okay to use

they will it will it will be our brand and our image which will be at risk so yeah

so i i think uh finance i understand where ev is coming from that the supplier sub supplier is

following so and so industry standard but is jlr as a brand happy to accept

that the way it is so i think we need intern we can catch up in our daily stand up i'll have a uh yeah i i propose

if that's yeah yeah that's okay so if that's the case we can check with our subject uh matter expert yang long

we can involve him and we'll take the final word from him because uh yeah

they they have to authorize it finally and uh

we still need the start and finish date against that test plan casino which you showed us yeah

sorry what's your question yeah okay yeah got a point it's the same question it's the same question i asked

earlier uh so sorry i wasn't i'm not sure who was presenting that test plan

it was rick so okay rick sorry rick yeah rick we need the start and finish date

of the year it's okay i got a point yeah and okay one more there was an

accelerated test which your supplier was doing which was going to start on the 19th of august and was going to finish

on second of september so have we seen the results of that test yet

actually i don't i i will shoot all the information i have got now yeah

but but then see see that's where that you know i'm i'm having those trust issues now you know

and that's why jacob you can you you have also been on the same program for a long time it's hard to just take the word from the

team yeah you said you were gonna your supplier is doing

an accelerated test on this diode which was gonna start on the 19th of august

and will be finished by second of september so where are the test results for those tests today it is 9th of

september it's almost been more than a week now or nearly a week since your test was scheduled to finish

so where are the results for that test uh

are you also referring to the same test uh i don't know who who committed that rick

parker it was neil van there senior senior from

ede he he confirmed the same information in our ll5 review that they are

conducting a test and that has already started on 19th of august and it is due to finish on second

of september so where are the tests is that is that the test which is just presented by

rick or is it a totally different honest it was it was it was by it was in the

direction of uh building up the confidence that they uh to use the diode

that it is uh so it was a accelerated test towards the aecq but it wasn't the

actual ecq but it was just to build up some confidence so where is the test report for that

uh i mean do you carry on with that i need to jump to the next meeting sorry for that

let me know as well i'm done as well but it's just the team isn't answering that parkour

you know that right you were the one to present that during the seniors review

yes and i know about the status yeah so what is the status and when you can

provide us the test report

can you show me the slide paco from what you had presented two weeks ago between you and neil van

can you open those slides please okay please

foreign

um

sorry

which one

foreign

we should have some test results

yeah accelerated aecq test for diode second september so where is where is

the test report for this test

why are you not telling us that on 2nd of september at least on 3rd of september i should have received an

email from you saying what is the status on this but you don't you you your team does not

give us information until we ask for it yeah that is not that is not a good

communication level yeah at the same time well but how how many times do i have do

you have to say the same thing if you know that is that the case why don't you improve on that communication then

instead of saying sorry all the time why don't you just improve the communication level

uh this is really not giving good this is this is not giving a good impression about the entire team parkour

yes i know that and it seems like you it seems like the team is only hiding the information

all the time yeah hiding information about not having enough parts to do the vda you didn't

tell us for at least for until two weeks until the test was gonna start yeah

i still haven't seen an email from neil van justifying why the test was not started why there was shortage of

samples have you spoken to nilvan about it yes yeah when we are we are

sending an email to his pray for this situation yeah

have you already sent him or uh my question is have you spoken to neil wen about it already

yeah have you already talked about it on your own okay so why we do not see an email with

and with an explanation of what is going

on uh i need a temperature with neon after this meeting whether it's sunny out or not

yeah emmett actually and we also want to yeah yeah actually so i think from ev side we

we don't want to hide anything so maybe some actually there are some

uh misunderstanding understanding so uh in the communication actually we

always want to transparent in project level and the technical level

if we don't want anything yeah

yeah so tell me one thing then why why the vda tests have submediate was gonna

start on the 15th of august and only last week your team told us that you do not have enough samples to

start the test yeah why why was that information not told to us in the beginning of august

yeah actually for this uh sample shortage i i think we we don't uh

uh yeah but you notice this right yeah but you should have told us before

you know you did not have the samples you should have told me you did not tell us until until last week so that is like

hiding the information isn't it

yeah for shortage samples let's sample shortage we should told you first but actually inside

our team even for the even for the part shortage further on a

trade your team kept saying you have shortage of parts on the bms level

yeah and then when i asked you to show me the bomb list for your back level that's when we got to know you have

shortage of part c one on back level right before that no one mentioned that there is a shortage of parts on the pack level

is that right parker uh not 100 right actually so um

as we analyzed we've uh for the runaway material origins we

just prepared 240 pieces from only so

yes but the thing is you still you do not have 240 piece worth of pack even for your pack level support components

do you your pack level sub components are even lesser than their pms level components

uh yes because i mean but and yes but but no one told me upfrontly about

it until i kept asking to show me the bomb list for that right

so please give me an update on this test report today i want to see an email

talk to your supplier what is the timeline we are gonna get this test report i i want to have a confirmation today

whether it's a positive or negative i don't know but i want neil when copied into this email as well the updates

about each of these each of these actions that we agreed send an email with the updates against

each and every action copying neil went into it as well

paco is it okay uh okay we will talk about this new one

about this issue yeah just talk about it it's fine but send us an email with the updates against each

of these actions okay we will pass this requirement to nearby yeah

yeah yeah paco paco you're not listening to the question

what i said is i want to see an email with the updates against each of these actions where you are against each of

these actions yeah and also copy neil went to that email yeah we sent this email to jlrt with the

updates against each of the action we agreed in the senior review a few weeks ago

i i i understood your your part but the email about a easy killer uh

progress this email will publish by union one yeah

okay yes so you are not ready to give us what is

the progress you have made so far in the last three weeks since our last senior review

then we need to speak to your commercial director then simple as that our commercial director and they will

speak to you further escalated further okay i i need to jump to the next

meeting thank you bye everyone bye

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